UPDATED: I Added a video from Troy Leavitt to the blog. It’s a good listen. You’ll find it at the end of the blog.
Like I did once before in a past blog responding to Carolyn Petit from Femfreq: I’m going to respond to Anita’s childish blog about the “Harassment” she dealt with at Vidcon this past weekend. Her blog is copied here, verbatim (word-for-word, spelling errors included) from her website, and the link to it is HERE. Her blog is in black, and my answers to Anita’s blog are in red and in blockquotes like this one. Let’s start this shit.
To kick off the Women Online panel at VidCon last Thursday, the moderator posed the question: Why do we still have to talk about the harassment of women?
Good question: WHY? There are a ton of POSITIVE things you feminists could’ve talked about at Vidcon, but you didn’t. It was all negative (I agree with you Gines).
I replied, “Because I think one of my biggest harassers is sitting in the front row.” He showed up with several others; together, his group took up the two front rows at the panel.
Firstly, having and stating opinions is NOT harassment and Sargon of Akkad was just SITTING THERE, LISTENING TO YOU. An orange can tell you that sitting down and listening to you speak, IS NOT harassment. What do you think people are doing when they watch your videos? Is that harassment too, Anita?
Their presence was plainly not, as one of them later said in an “apology” video he posted to Twitter, to “give us the chance we never gave them” and to “hear us out,” but was instead to intimidate me and put me on edge.
They were sitting down and listening to you speak. Isn’t the whole thing about attending panels like this to get your message out and speak to the audience? Sharing and discussing different points of view? A point-counterpoint debate? Offering help and advice?
They will no doubt plead innocent and act shocked at what they characterize as the outrageousness of such allegations.
They have every right to be shocked by what you said. Everyone is. You were like a child up there. Better yet, you became the one thing you don’t like – the shithead that harasses people.
This, too, is part of their strategy: gaslighting, acting in a way intended to encourage me and their other targets to doubt ourselves and to wonder if all of this isn’t just in our heads.
They were sitting there, listening to you. They didn’t say a word or make any gestures toward you. They sat there, quietly listening. That’s not gas lighting. Also, this is a free country – anyone can go anywhere they want, including to any and all panels or events you are in.
But to anyone who examines their patterns of behavior with clear eyes, the intentions of their actions are undeniably apparent.
Yes, it was very apparent what they doing: Sitting there listening to you, and you flipped your shit the second you saw them, to the point you resorted to name calling. You can’t be the victim AND the instigator.
Carl is a man who literally profits from harassing me and other women: he makes over $5,000 a month on Patreon for creating YouTube videos that mock, insult and discredit myself and other women online, and he’s not alone.
No. Carl does NOT make money harassing you and other women. Carl is a man who talks about the things you say, which is his right to do. It’s called “having an opinion”, and for him to express his opinions about you are perfectly fine. He can express this opinion any way he wants, regardless of your approval. Anyone can express their opinion about you or anything they want. THAT’S what freedom of Speech is, after all. Now if people troll you, based on the things he said, that is not his fault – he didn’t tell them to harass/troll you, and he never supported that behavior in any way. He can’t control what people do or think any more than you can and are trying hard to do.
He is one of several YouTubers who profit from the cottage industry of online harassment and antifeminism; together, these people have millions of followers who are regularly encouraged by the videos and tweets of these individuals to harass me and other women who make videos daring to assert the basic humanity of women, people of color, trans folks, and members of other marginalized groups.
“the cottage industry of online harassment”…no. Look, online harassment is a thing, no one doubts that. But as I said before, having an opinion about anything in general, and that includes you, is NOT harassment. You REALLY need to stop confusing/lumping opinions and harassment as the same thing. They aren’t.
Because of the constant flood of threats and harassment I have received over the past five years simply for being a woman who argues for the basic humanity of women in a deeply misogynistic culture, I went for a very long time rarely participating in public conversations.
If you talk out of your ass all the time, people are going to call you on it. NO ONE likes people who talk out of their ass or pretends to know and love something they can’t stand. For 5 years Anita, you have talked about the video game industry, the gamers, and developers in the negative. Trying to insert your critical bullshit and vitriol in the name of feminism. 5 years it took you to make a series of 14 videos that do nothing but tell people how they should make video games, and the way they encourage harassment – all from someone who doesn’t know shit one about the time and energy it takes to make a video game, has never made a game, or gives two fucks about what the people who play video games ACTUALLY THINK.
As for “a very long time rarely participating in public conversations.” – You have to be willing to talk and have a debate and discussion about the subject, and that also includes accepting opinions from people who don’t agree with you. Mocking and making fun of you, along with offering constructive criticism is standard practice when you are in the public eye.
Being a target of cybermob harassment is a traumatizing experience, though harassers seek to deny this; one tactic of theirs is to dismiss this very idea, to say that everyone online is treated the same, everyone online gets “called names” sometimes.
Everyone, both men, and women, online and in real life get harassed. IT HAPPENS. You are a grown ass woman Anita, so put on the big girl panties and deal with it. Stick and stones break your bones. Names don’t mean shit. Also, it pays to remember that you get what you give – if you spew bullshit and talk out of your ass, what do you think you are going to get in return? Cookies? A medal? Kinky sex? Nope. None of that.
In fact, there is simply no comparison between being occasionally mocked or insulted online as a male antifeminist who occupies a position of power in an overwhelmingly sexist, patriarchal culture, and being a woman who receives a never-ending torrent of abuse while fighting tooth and nail to create an online culture that is a little less misogynistic and a little more equitable.
I refer you to my previous statement above.
However, despite the torrent of harassment, I recently made a conscious decision to participate more regularly in panels and conversations at public events, because I wanted to engage with people who show up in good faith to listen to our ideas.
Hey, Anita, YOU HAD THAT CHANCE AT VIDCON and you made no attempt to 100% do that. You just wanted people to listen to you, agree with your arguments, not have a single drop of criticism, or challenge any of your views, and when you didn’t get that, you flipped your shit. Be advised that you will get and have to deal with criticism throughout your entire life, no matter what you believe in or do for a living. As does everyone else, you’ll spend time answering for the things you have said and will be challenged for having your point of view. That goes triple when you are on a public platform, which is what the Internet has always been.
But let me make something very clear: When you have a history of harassing someone for years, and you show up in the front row at their panel with a camera and an entourage, that is not an act of good faith, to put it mildly.
Again, opinions and harassment are NOT THE SAME. Sitting down and listening to you at a panel at a public event with a video camera is NOT harassment. There was zero intimidation from anyone in the audience. Communication is a two-way street, not a one-way line to your ass and the shit inside.
That is itself an act of harassment and intimidation. No, it’s not. He and his companions were doing this not just to me but to other women as well, women like Kat Blaque and Franchesca Ramsey, Two other women who also talk out of their asses so that we all are aware at VidCon that this man who has harassed us and whose hundreds of thousands of followers have attacked us online for years is here, watching us.
And that’s all he was doing…WATCHING YOU. LOTS of people were watching you with cameras. I can only imagine how uncomfortable you feel when you walk into a retail store with cameras – which makes no sense because you make YouTube videos. WHY is this a problem with you?
It’s a deliberate act to create an environment that feels hostile, to communicate to us that if and when we dare to show up in public to express the ideas that we express online, the harassment will follow us into the physical world as well.
Harassment happens all the time, online and in real life. Everyone deals with it one way or another, in various amounts. IT SUCKS. You’ll never be able you stop it 100%, so the best way to counter it is to deal with it. Take the high road and shrug it off. All walks of life deal with it.
Now, he and his followers are acting as if me publicly calling him a “garbage human” is the equivalent of what he has done to me. In truth, he and his followers cannot begin to imagine what it is to have to constantly beg for and fight for your basic humanity in a culture that fundamentally refuses to acknowledge it.
Terrorists, Child molesters, Murders, etc….if the people who are messing with you Anita are any of these people, THEN I could see calling them “garbage humans” as valid. But Sargon is NOT any of those people. Many of his fans are not that either, myself included. I’ve spoken critically of you Anita for quite some time myself, and I can tell you that I’m not any of those people, thus I am not a “garbage human” or a “shithead”.
We are people rightfully critiquing and being critical/critiquing of your work and your ideas, and that is NOT harassment. You do the same thing just from a different point of view. I don’t even consider you a “garbage human” for the things you have said over the years and what you said to Sargon at VidCon, but I DO think you are a woman who is holding on to and lives in the past way too much. You have a big chip on her shoulder, a giant bug up your bony ass and making fans and money by bullshitting them with a crap rhetoric.
Just as you criticise others, others can criticise you.
To the reader of this blog: In short, she’s a angry bitch. And that’s MY OPINION. Harsh, but my opinion, nonetheless.
He cannot imagine what it is to spend years and years being the target of floods of harassment and hate, and then to still go out there and keep fighting.
Oh yes, he can. He’s been harassed for the things he has said. I’ve gotten harassed for the things I’ve said. You harassed him at VidCon, Anita. We have all at one time or another been harassed online AND in real life. Many of us understand harassment and being harassed. But that harassment doesn’t dictate how we should live our lives. We rise above it, push past it, and not let it stop us from doing our thing.
The companion of his who made that apology video I referenced earlier also tweeted that women are “powerful” enough to “deal with things like workplace harassment to rape.”
His companion is right. In order to push past things like that, you have to be strong and stay that way. You can’t let it get the better of you. It’s hard as fuck to recover from rape and aggressive harassment, but you need to push past it and if you need help to do so, get it. When it comes to traumatic events, you have to move on in some way, and that is the point of his tweet. Women and men DO have the strength to push through things like that and you do have to be strong when it comes to dealing with the heavy shit. We all have the strength to do anything, overcome anything, be anything. It’s not going to happen overnight, but it can be done nonetheless, and telling people that is enduring, not offensive.
As if power is in accepting a culture in which women are second-class citizens, in which misogyny and workplace harassment and rape are the norm. Fuck that. I’ll never settle for that. You’re damn right I’m powerful.
Misogyny is stupid, and not a common thing among society. I’ve rarely encountered it in my time. As for rape and harassment being the norm? A world without harassment of any kind would be nice, but that’s not going to happen. As for rape being the norm? NO. NOT EVEN CLOSE ON THAT SHIT. RAPE is NOT normal at all. PERIOD.
RAPE IS 100% ILLEGAL, and NOT “the norm”.
Rape and harassment are not even in the same category – Rape is a forced sexual assault on someone, and harassment is mostly words and insults. Sexual harassment MIGHT involve inappropriate, unwarranted touching, and unwanted sexually charged dialog toward someone, but that’s not similar to rape at all.
Online harassment and real life harassment is annoying as fuck. It happens, and when it does, you deal with it. “Harassment in the workplace” (first time I’ve heard Anita mention harassment of that caliber) can get a person fired or sued, thus not legal or normal.
Why do you group these things together, Anita? Rape and workplace harassment isn’t and wasn’t even part of the discussion here. What the fuck?
After everything I’ve been put through by Carl and other men just like him, I’m still powerful enough to go out there and try to change it.
- Stops bullshitting people,
- Stops being so negative about everything in the world,
- Stops blaming men for the ills of the world, or the issues she might have,
- Quits calling people “garbage humans” and “shitheads” for having an opinion,
- Changes her attitude and own up to the BS she has tried to get away with ( Both men and women have caught you in so many half-truths over the years),
- Stops telling people how we should run our lives and how we should create/think/feel,
- Stops making herself the victim 100% of the time while contradicting herself,
- Stops trying to make herself the spearhead to feminism,
- Learns to take criticism and counterpoint and,
- Learns that Communication is a two-way street….the list goes on…
In other words: If she changes her ways, and grows up, then maybe she won’t have so many problems, and we won’t have a reason to call her on her crap. The past is just that.
Gamergate is over. Having/Stating Opinions, challenging your ideas, and listening to you is NOT Harassment, lots of people have dealt with online harassment.
Seriously Anita – get over it and finally move the fuck on.
Thanks for reading.
Bonus: Here is a video from Troy Leavitt, called “The Legacy of Anita’s Tropes Versus Women”. You can and should watch it. Click Here to watch.